zeez
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I think I understand what you are trying to achieve ...a semi reliable flow of water at a higher volume than what you can get via the existing plumbing system ...correct ?
Exactly. And the existing plumbing can't be modified or fixed because it is all buried in concrete.
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Pick up a 200' 3/4" high quality rubber hose...and run it inside a piece of 2" PVC if you wish to protect it from damage and shield the hose from wind chill exposure. If you know there is a deep freeze in the weather forecast simply draim the line and use the existing water supply....
My only concern is what are you planning to do if the hose does burst for some unexpected reason ?? will it cause any real problems ?? or is it something that won't result in any real damage ?
Hmmm...the original plan was to run a straight peice of PEX about 150' in the attic of the main building, come out the end, make a 90 degree turn, and go another 50' or so to me. I could probably just install a hose bib on the outside end of the main building and run PEX inside the warm attic to power that. Then run a good quality 3/4" rubber hose from there.
If it bursts (outside the attic) it will not cause any harm, just a big water bill.  And I'm SURE the attic will stay above freezing. I could also leave the tap cracked if I think it might freeze, since water is included with my rent. 
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CabinConnection
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Reged: 01/20/04
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Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
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So I'm just curious, oh distant German relative of mine... 
Who "owns" the water SOURCE for this proposed circuit? 
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LastTripToTulsa
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Reged: 08/10/09
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Loc: Winnipeg
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[blockquote]"Yes, they very much are required to make EVERYTHING in the building up to code because it never was when the building was built,[/blockquote]
Nope.
I am entirely correct.
No existing building needs to ever be 'brought up to code' ever.
Existing buildings are only required, by Code, to conform to the Codes in effect at the time the structure was built...and nothing more.
If the building has not had any Code 'updates' in 20 years, it is because it is not now nor ever has been required to be brought up to modern Code.
Neglecting proper maintenance on the structure and systems within a building is another story, but these property maintenance defects are not normally 'Code' issues...and enforced by local ordinance only.
You would do best to talk to your local officer.
He'll set you straight and confirm you are wrong....and also confirm you should be doing no alterations to this structure until you know what you are doing.
In fact, he will likely require you to take out the proper license to do what you are trying to do, since you do not own this building. The Code Official will also likley require you to prove you have the skills and insurance and <i>permission</i> from the owner to make these alterations before issuing you a permit and license.
And since it is obvious you have no idea what you are doing...would be good for all the community if he stopped you.
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brooksnb
Super Handyman
Reged: 03/03/07
Posts: 2141
Loc: New Brunswick , Canada
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And since it is obvious you have no idea what you are doing...would be good for all the community if he stopped you.
I am likely not the biggest fan of ZEEZ...but this is only a back up waterline that he is running...it's not rocket science here...he is probally like many of us...trying to do something that will serve his needs and be reasonably priced.
I don't know how you can be so familiar with local codes and such for all of North America but I do know that what he is doing is a far cry from what I have seen done legally and by supposed pros...
In this part of the world if a building requires any electrical changes it must all be able to pass code...even the pre existing. Keep in mind some areas will allow some descretion but in rental units the code is there to protect it's occupants...not the owner.
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zeez
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Nope.
I am entirely correct.
No existing building needs to ever be 'brought up to code' ever.
Existing buildings are only required, by Code, to conform to the Codes in effect at the time the structure was built...and nothing more.
Nope, still wrong. As I already said, the building was NOT up to code even when it was built! And, after it was built, it was remodeled again, around 1995, again, no codes! For example, plumbing safety specifically, the water heater is mounted on top of the bathroom. It clearly says on top of the water heater that it was installed in 1995, so it must conform to 1995 code, and it also clearly says that the pressure relief valve needs a pipe on it to allow any escaping hot water to drain away to a safe place. This is code in the entire country. Guess what? No pipe. Never been one. And, the water heater was incorrectly mounted so that you cannot fit a hose to the drain valve, there fore, nobody has ever flushed it, nor can they.
I could give examples like this all day. (this is one of 5 water heaters in the place, all this way) One of the main reasons I moved from the main building into my own seperate building is because the main building is a huge safety hazard, or rather, a death trap. You should see the wiring! If a building inspector set foot in this place he would literally explode, and his replacement would quickly come by and shut the building down. My point being, whenever I have a disagreement with the landlord, all I have to say is I know the building inspector's phone number.
Again, this has nothing to do with the question I asked. So drop it! You're only digging yourself into a hole. The only things I do to the building are for my own safety, and bringing it up to code, or an otherwise safe level, at the permission and sometimes request of the landlord.
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zeez
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So I'm just curious, oh distant German relative of mine...
Who "owns" the water SOURCE for this proposed circuit?
The city. They pump it out of the river just down stream from the old leaching landfill and sewage discharge. *sigh*
This is especially why I say NON POTABLE WATER, because I won't drink that crap even flowing fresh out of the meter. I consider the entire water supply there non potable. I don't even like to swim in that river.
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EaglesFan
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Reged: 02/20/09
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So I'm just curious, oh distant German relative of mine...
Who "owns" the water SOURCE for this proposed circuit?
The city. They pump it out of the river just down stream from the old leaching landfill and sewage discharge. *sigh*
This is especially why I say NON POTABLE WATER, because I won't drink that crap even flowing fresh out of the meter. I consider the entire water supply there non potable. I don't even like to swim in that river.
Why dont you just admit what your doing is a pipe dream and anyone guiding you to do it is clueless and should not be giving you this advice in the forum but should be doing it in private...... They make this site look bad.....
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zeez
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Reged: 01/18/05
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Why dont you just admit what your doing is a pipe dream and anyone guiding you to do it is clueless and should not be giving you this advice in the forum but should be doing it in private...... They make this site look bad.....
Useless posts like this are what make this forum look bad. If you have nothing useful to say hit your back button. That goes to everyone.
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RandyD
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Reged: 02/01/05
Posts: 228
Loc: Lynwood IL
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If you have nothing useful to say hit your back button. That goes to everyone.
You tell'em zeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me I'd prolly just use garden hose 
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EaglesFan
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Reged: 02/20/09
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Why dont you just admit what your doing is a pipe dream and anyone guiding you to do it is clueless and should not be giving you this advice in the forum but should be doing it in private...... They make this site look bad.....
Useless posts like this are what make this forum look bad. If you have nothing useful to say hit your back button. That goes to everyone.
What you want to do is wrong and anyone condoning it is wrong.
If you dont want to hear the answer dont ask the question....
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