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6v - 12v Lead Acid Battery
      #871256 - 03/13/10 07:39 PM

I've had a 6v lead acid battery from a hand held small vacuum on charge for six hours! and the green light is still on.
How long does it take to charge.

Also have a 12v torch (2x6) volt lead acid batteries which i have split from the torch casing waiting to be charged - am i burning up the small 6v vacuum battery.

Original chargers for both are shot.?????


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Re: 6v - 12v Lead Acid Battery [Re: boat]
      #871263 - 03/13/10 08:54 PM

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........hand held vacuum.....?

Are you sure it's lead-acid? (same as auto battery?)

...and was it completely dead before the charge??

Some just won't come back from "Dead"

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Re: 6v - 12v Lead Acid Battery [Re: BillJeffy]
      #871273 - 03/13/10 11:32 PM

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Are you sure it's lead-acid? (same as auto battery?) /quote]

It says on the battery & numbnut "how to use instructions" its a lead acid sealed battery.
The original chargers both 12v torch 2x6v & 1x6v vacuum batteries went dead - plug wire sheared off one - other i guess burnt out.
Bought a new multi volt 2v-6v-12 v charger.

The vacuum battery indicted via 4 green lites = fully charged their was one green lite remaining on the old battery. I bought a new 6v battery for the vacuum cleaner & new 2v-6v-12v charger.
Nine hours(now)charging the single 6v battery & the new charger is still showing a green charge lite.

Thinking maximum six hours should charge one 6v battery - on charge now for nine hours.?

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Re: 6v - 12v Lead Acid Battery [Re: boat]
      #871275 - 03/14/10 05:02 AM

Your battery might not be charging at all due to a safety setting in the charger. I just had 2 battery packs rebuilt at a BatteriesPlus store and was in a big hurry to pick them up. The technician told me they didn't have time for a pre-charge and, if I had any trouble charging them the first time, I'd have to bring them back. These were 18V batteries and read 17.2V on his VOM. He said that might be too low depending on the charger I was using. According to him, some chargers have a safety circuit that will only charge a battery that's within a specified range of the charging voltage selected. If you're outside of that range, the charger assumes there's something wrong with the battery and simply won't do anything. Since you're dealing with a new battery and a new charger, this might be your problem. Maybe your charger's owners manual has some additional information, in the fine print section, on this "safety feature". Good luck.

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Re: 6v - 12v Lead Acid Battery [Re: shooter]
      #871362 - 03/14/10 07:56 PM

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According to him, some chargers have a safety circuit that will only charge a battery that's within a specified range of the charging voltage selected. If you're outside of that range, the charger assumes there's something wrong with the battery and simply won't do anything. Since you're dealing with a new battery and a new charger,




I think you're probably right after ten hours my VOM is reading 4.6V. I took the battery of charge and installed it in the vacuum cleaner, their are four led power lights and all are lit & vac is lifting dirt OK!

The other two 6v torch batteries are linked to give 12v light power so charging them at 12V - been on charge for ten hours both are only showing 10.3V give them another few hrs.
Could be the nature of the beast just a slow charger.

BillJeffy.
Sealed lead-acid
During the mid 1970s, researchers developed a maintenance-free lead-acid battery that can operate in any position. The liquid electrolyte is gelled into moistened separators and the enclosure is sealed. Safety valves allow venting during charge, discharge and atmospheric pressure changes.

Driven by different market needs, two lead-acid systems emerged: The small sealed lead-acid (SLA), also known under the brand name of Gelcell, and the larger Valve-regulated-lead-acid (VRLA). Both batteries are similar. Engineers may argue that the word 'sealed lead-acid' is a misnomer because no rechargeable battery can be totally sealed.
Unlike the flooded lead-acid battery, both SLA and VRLA are designed with a low over-voltage potential to prohibit the battery from reaching its gas-generating potential during charge because excess charging would cause gassing and water depletion. Consequently, these batteries can never be charged to their full potential. To reduce dry-out, sealed lead-acid batteries use lead-calcium instead of the lead-antimony.

The optimum operating temperature for the lead-acid battery is 25*C (77*F). Elevated temperature reduces longevity. As a guideline, every 8?C (15*F) rise in temperature will cut the battery life in half. A VRLA, which would last for 10 years at 25*C (77*F), will only be good for 5 years if operated at 33*C (95*F). Theoretically the same battery would last a little more than one year at a desert temperature of 42*C (107*F).


Figure 1: Sealed lead-acid battery

The sealed lead-acid battery is rated at a 5-hour (0.2) and 20-hour (0.05C) discharge. Longer discharge times produce higher capacity readings because of lower losses. The lead-acid performs well on high load currents.

BatteryUniversty.Com
Lots of info on that site about all batteries.


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Re: 6v - 12v Lead Acid Battery [Re: boat]
      #871434 - 03/15/10 08:18 AM

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I'm familiar with the SLA's as used in atv/motorcycle application, but was
somewhat puzzled that they would put one in a hand held vacuum....oh,well......

Your site link also describes charging/restoring principles, and ....

The charge time of a sealed lead-acid battery is 12-16 hours

Perhaps you didn't give it enough time, or the charger voltage is too low....????

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Re: 6v - 12v Lead Acid Battery [Re: BillJeffy]
      #871697 - 03/16/10 11:02 PM

Bought a new battery $10 SLA batteries if not used on a regular basis have a memory effect if left lying around! when you next want to charge it SLA remembers it has only 50% power left and battery charger only charges to 50% - let it fall to 25% only charges to 25%.

Guess laziness ruined the batterie.


http://www.prlog.org/10104966-sealed-lea...ng-storage.html


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Re: 6v - 12v Lead Acid Battery [Re: boat]
      #871731 - 03/17/10 07:01 AM

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Sorry, beg to differ.....lead-acids are NOT subject to memory effect......

Laying around discharged is what keeps them from being able to be charged.............
If you use your vacuum and put it away with a discharged battery )long term)
it probably won't respond to charging........(as has happened...)

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